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With or at?|手段しゅだんの「で」・場所ばしょの「で」

Use で to name a method or tool as well as the place where an action happens. Ask どうやって when you specifically want to know the method.

『アプリで勉強べんきょうします』は方法ほうほう、『図書館としょかんで勉強べんきょうします』は場所ばしょを伝えつたえます。

Adult learners practising Japanese together

Name the method

Put a tool or method before で: アプリで、ネットで、本ほんで. Keep the verb to show what the person does with it.

『アプリで練習れんしゅうします』では、アプリを使うつかうことを伝えつたえます。

Name the place

A place followed by で can tell where an action takes place: 図書館としょかんで読みよみます. The same particle has a different role.

『図書館としょかんで読みよみます』では、読むよむ場所ばしょを伝えつたえます。

Ask about the method

Use どうやって勉強べんきょうしますか to ask how someone studies. A question with どこで often asks about a place, though the answer can sometimes mention a method.

方法ほうほうをはっきり聞きききたいときは、『どうやって』を使いつかいます。

Read the whole sentence

Do not translate every で as by or at. Identify the noun and the action. This lesson covers method and action location, not every use of で.

『電話でんわで話しはなします』と『家いえで話しはなします』では、電話でんわと家いえの役割やくわりが違いちがいます。

Diagram contrasting Nで for a method or tool with Nで for the place where an action happens, with the examples アプリで and 図書館で.
Original learning diagram. Examples are fictional.

Examples / 例れい

These scenes and exercises are fictional examples written for this lesson.

アプリで漢字かんじを練習れんしゅうします。

I practise kanji with an app.

アプリ is the means.

図書館としょかんで漢字かんじを練習れんしゅうします。

I practise kanji at the library.

図書館としょかん is the location.

どうやって日本語にほんごを勉強べんきょうしますか。

How do you study Japanese?

Ask about a method.

友達ともだちと電話でんわで話しはなします。

I talk with a friend on the phone.

電話でんわ is the means; 友達ともだち is the person.

Practice / 練習れんしゅう

Say your answer before opening the explanation.

Q1. Choose a method: アプリで / 図書館としょかんで。

Answer and explanation

アプリで。

An app is a tool; a library is a place.

Q2. Ask specifically how someone studies Japanese.

Answer and explanation

どうやって日本語にほんごを勉強べんきょうしますか。

どうやって asks about the method.

Q3. In 家いえで本ほんを読みよみます, does 家いえで name a place or a tool?

Answer and explanation

場所ばしょです。

家いえ is a place.

Q4. Say that you practise with a book.

Answer and explanation

本ほんで練習れんしゅうします。

Put the means before で.

Words / 言葉ことば

JapaneseEnglish
手段しゅだんmeans; method
場所ばしょplace
図書館としょかんlibrary
電話でんわtelephone
練習れんしゅうしますpractise

A phrase to use

どうやって練習れんしゅうしますか。

How do you practise?

Sources

Grammar reference: The Japan Foundation, Irodori: Japanese for Life in Japan, Elementary 1. Explanations are concise original summaries; practice examples are original.